tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7746275271956999377.post3211553639552729751..comments2021-07-16T10:04:11.480-04:00Comments on and gladly teach: Progress Monitoring: Marzano and ScalesRoy Starlinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08998376320870001861noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7746275271956999377.post-90765110723826251172012-10-16T19:37:55.550-04:002012-10-16T19:37:55.550-04:00Laissez-faire I say, let them be. Laissez-faire I say, let them be. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7746275271956999377.post-36339635530114127162012-10-16T19:09:09.823-04:002012-10-16T19:09:09.823-04:00I just went back to work after 14 years as a stay ...I just went back to work after 14 years as a stay at home mom. I can't get my head above water with all the requirements, data meetings, scales, websites, and hullabaloo. What happened to teaching? The bottom-line to Marzano is MONEY. This guy must have a very nice vacation home! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7746275271956999377.post-32750503364673845092012-10-06T23:13:42.174-04:002012-10-06T23:13:42.174-04:00"...the Dark Lord Marzano."
At least Vo..."...the Dark Lord Marzano."<br /><br />At least Voldemort knew what he was doing:<br /><br />http://ventingmycynicism.blogspot.com/2012/10/marzanos-database.htmlEllis Whyatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05193199636534624697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7746275271956999377.post-28575768432927327972012-09-30T21:00:03.594-04:002012-09-30T21:00:03.594-04:00Sorry we lost you, Kendra. Hope you can come back ...Sorry we lost you, Kendra. Hope you can come back some day. I think this Marzanomess is gonna go away.Roy Starlinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08998376320870001861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7746275271956999377.post-47090726693568961302012-09-27T00:12:52.476-04:002012-09-27T00:12:52.476-04:00Thank you for writing this. My district has been ...Thank you for writing this. My district has been on a two-year mission to implement Marzano's bunkum. And you clearly illustrated the real problem here: a total failure of leadership. Rather than trying to stop something that literally EVERYONE at the school level knows is bad, they have given up. Dr. Daniel Wexler's review is telling. Also available to highlight the quality--or lack thereof--of Marzano's work are "“Peer-review” of Marzano’s IWB Study Report" and Alfie Kohn's "Abusing Research". And I'm definitely going to start using the "WTM?" at work.<br /><br />Another teacher's snarky review of Marzano's Framework:<br /><br />http://ventingmycynicism.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-insanity-of-marzano-evaluation.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7746275271956999377.post-85374602216057514992012-09-21T11:44:02.124-04:002012-09-21T11:44:02.124-04:00I left the profession 4 years ago. To read this ma...I left the profession 4 years ago. To read this makes me very sad indeed. I looked up Marzano just to see, and it made my head hurt. I cannot even envision how time-consuming it will be to write a lesson. But it is par for the course- another year, another new strategy, assessment, method, blah, blah, blah that EVERY teacher must use regardless of how their students have performed in the past. They- qualify the pronoun however you wish- jut don't get it. They know and preach about individualizing instruction, assessment, yadda yadda, but they insist that students and teachers do not require the same when it comes to monitoring progress. I could go on and on and on. I was already working 55-70 hours a week; I cannot even imagine how many additional hours this would add. I miss teaching- all of the good and genuine things about it- but I could not sacrifice my family and myself anymore to meet the ever growing demands and burdens like these. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07707064124020848642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7746275271956999377.post-53373325733949753772012-09-18T20:18:03.523-04:002012-09-18T20:18:03.523-04:00Love the comments. Remember the meeting tomorrow a...Love the comments. Remember the meeting tomorrow at 4 pm with Walt Griffin. This might be a great opportunity to be heard. Sue Brownnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7746275271956999377.post-9052355093866814202012-09-16T11:51:51.056-04:002012-09-16T11:51:51.056-04:00Whoever you are, I absolutely agree with you. I...Whoever you are, I absolutely agree with you. I'm drafting a post about the problem with us well-meaning, compliant people who would rather not risk alienating our administrators, etc. Thanks for your help!<br />Roy Starlinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08998376320870001861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7746275271956999377.post-41344981265741391232012-09-15T10:00:33.417-04:002012-09-15T10:00:33.417-04:00To preface that, your support is very much appreci...To preface that, your support is very much appreciated! We could use any help. I'm sorry I didn't say that first. :) Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7746275271956999377.post-30293134404259063932012-09-15T09:04:39.196-04:002012-09-15T09:04:39.196-04:00Not enough.Not enough.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7746275271956999377.post-58274295924364508632012-09-15T09:03:02.459-04:002012-09-15T09:03:02.459-04:00alleviate? Won't happen!alleviate? Won't happen!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7746275271956999377.post-81852407384087802802012-09-15T09:01:00.338-04:002012-09-15T09:01:00.338-04:00I would definitely be striking if allowed. This is...I would definitely be striking if allowed. This is a ridiculous way of evaluating teachers. I am in my last few years, and trying to make it through. I will say I think some of the ideas are good, but not as an evaluation tool. If we ever felt we had to do the perfect lesson before, it’s nothing to compare with the pressure now! This is such a strain to remember what to do, say, display and even move. One shot at perfection. This is not how a teacher teaches in reality, because no one would have the time to prepare each and every lesson to the extent required. I have found in the time I have been teaching, esp. elementary teachers, are too compliant and willing to do whatever for the kids to speak out. This is the time to speak and act for ourselves. Our voices in the teaching community have to be heard loud and clear about this evaluation tool, now!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7746275271956999377.post-28527788424947868572012-09-15T08:39:48.486-04:002012-09-15T08:39:48.486-04:00Gather a strong parent coalition and make your voi...Gather a strong parent coalition and make your voice heard loud and clear!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7746275271956999377.post-64901688591959356292012-09-14T22:44:38.027-04:002012-09-14T22:44:38.027-04:00Go Marzia! Thanks for the rallying cry. Never give...Go Marzia! Thanks for the rallying cry. Never give up!Roy Starlinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08998376320870001861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7746275271956999377.post-33662426955639578582012-09-14T18:30:24.801-04:002012-09-14T18:30:24.801-04:00I, as some of you already know, am not afraid to s...I, as some of you already know, am not afraid to speak my mind and put my money (job?) where my mouth is when it comes to sticking up for my beliefs. I was proud to see our faculty show that they were upset, frustrated, angry and fed up. FINALLY! Too many times we, as teachers, complain but will not say anything because we are afraid. Afraid of what? If we cannot speak our minds intelligently and clearly we truly give up all the rest of our rights along with that. We must stick together on this common ground and JUST SAY NO MORE!!!! I believe our administration would also put this Marzano crap to rest if it could but they, too, are being told what to do. We need to reach the ears of the higher ups. And if that takes SPEAKING LOUDLY, well....I'm Italian. We do that very well! :)marzianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7746275271956999377.post-6249422726449600902012-09-14T17:19:12.732-04:002012-09-14T17:19:12.732-04:00A Tuesday meeting to alleviate our fears??????????...A Tuesday meeting to alleviate our fears?????????????????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7746275271956999377.post-27424583064141492312012-09-14T14:55:39.061-04:002012-09-14T14:55:39.061-04:00Thank you Roy!
Thank you Roy!<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7746275271956999377.post-18753570978808477112012-09-14T10:41:13.026-04:002012-09-14T10:41:13.026-04:00wtm??!?!wtm??!?!Savagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02866290961649114688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7746275271956999377.post-23090297357468202152012-09-14T02:15:07.055-04:002012-09-14T02:15:07.055-04:00Seems like the good folks in Chicago have somethin...Seems like the good folks in Chicago have something particularly loud to say on this subject. It sounds like the grievances in your neck of the woods are also going pretty sour. What does the SEA have to say about all this nonsense?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7746275271956999377.post-59983178764288473032012-09-13T14:10:44.099-04:002012-09-13T14:10:44.099-04:00As a daughter of a retired educator, former studen...As a daughter of a retired educator, former student and parent of two recent college graduates, I applaud the voices being raised in concern for all of the nonsense these requirements will create. Parents must be EQUALLY HELD RESPONSIBLE. Educators, no matter how dedicated, are only one third the team, parents and the students themselves must be held to higher expectations. Sorry if this upsets some who read this, but maybe you need to turn off the TV, put away the video games, turn off your iphones, stop enrolling your child in every activity, because you can't be bothered and sit your A^*#s down and see exactly what your childrn are learning. And yes, things have changed since you were in school, so if you dont get it, ASK THE TEACHER. You are partners, not enemies and no they don't stay awake at night trying to think up ways to make you life difficult. You owe your children the opprotunity to learn from teachers that really do care, like the author, who by the way taught my daughters and still speak in glowing terms 7 and 4 years later, respectfully and both graduated with honors for a 4 year university. Life is full of distractions to keep us from seeing the truth, we have failed our children. More regulation and "hoops" to jump through for our educators is not and never has been the answer. FCAT was a hug mistake and 15+ years later we are just now cleaning up the mess it made. Unless the researchers have been actively in a classroom over the past 20 years, they have NO BUSINESS TRYING TO INITIATE CHANGES that clearly have not been testd in the "real classrooms" of America. The real crisis is just about here, why in GOD'S GREEN EARTH would anyone want to be a teacher today? I applaud each and every educator out there who has not given up as of yet. What can we as parents and grandparents do to help?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7746275271956999377.post-32938442071081526492012-09-13T00:58:35.306-04:002012-09-13T00:58:35.306-04:00Most Helpful Customer Reviews
47 of 51 people foun...Most Helpful Customer Reviews<br />47 of 51 people found the following review helpful<br />1.0 out of 5 stars Marzano - A successful fraud March 24, 2007<br />By Daniel Wexler<br />Format:Paperback<br />I went to the trouble of checking a number of key references. Here's what I discovered:<br />A. Every single reference I checked was itself dubious or misrepresented by the authors.<br />B. Some of the references were on topics unrelated to the instructional strategies cited.<br />B. Some of the numbers from published data were altered to better conform to the author's point of view.<br />C. Some of the references themselves presented provisional conclusions based on weak results, but were given complete credence by Marzano et al.<br />D. The authors took weak data from several studies, each based on averaging the results from studies assumed to use similar methods and subject cohorts, and averaged these, compounding the statistical weaknesses. This is especially shocking given that no credible researcher would combine results from studies by different groups that clearly use different methodologies and subject cohorts.<br /><br />Noone should regard this book as a description of research-based strategies. In fact, the publisher should withdraw the book as it misrepresents fiction as fact.<br /><br />This is not to say these strategies do not work. However, there is little or no valid research to support any statement that they offer any improvement over direct instruction.<br /><br />As time has passed since I first posted a similar review, the so-called "Marzano Strategies" have continued to gain traction even among education professionals at the college level. Presumably this is because "Marzano Strategy" is easy to remember and has a certain auditory potency. It illustrates, however, the dangers of uncritical and indiscriminate acceptance of ideas and strategies we want to believe in. There is a huge difference between "teacher-tested" and "research-based". The authors have clearly committed intellectual fraud in their wildly successful bid to sell books and make a name for themselves by passing off teacher-tested ideas as research-based.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03595544250480239497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7746275271956999377.post-55818790358215237692012-09-12T21:11:13.393-04:002012-09-12T21:11:13.393-04:00Oh, one more thing, we are going to spread the phr...Oh, one more thing, we are going to spread the phrase. Instead of saying wtf, we can say "What the Marzano!!" haha! :)Segrestnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7746275271956999377.post-56153487346856873132012-09-12T21:09:23.731-04:002012-09-12T21:09:23.731-04:00Sitting there today, another teacher and I wondere...Sitting there today, another teacher and I wondered how much it would cost to get the scales blown up and laminated to put on our walls. Then I thought, "NO! Why am I going to spend money on this???" I am glad to hear your view on this. I agree, we have a fabulous faculty, why are we being treated like (to piggy-back on your analogy) teenagers just learning to drive? I say let our school results speak for themselves. Make the schools who are a C or lower do all this garbage. Clearly, we are performing above expectations, why are we being treated like we don't? From someone who still has at minimum 18 more years in the profession, I just do not look forward to what is coming... Thank you for your thoughts Doc!Segrestnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7746275271956999377.post-84831079773185131322012-09-12T20:12:57.143-04:002012-09-12T20:12:57.143-04:00It does give me a creepy feeling in the pit of my ...It does give me a creepy feeling in the pit of my stomach -- a sort of Invasion of the Body Snatchers thing.Roy Starlinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08998376320870001861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7746275271956999377.post-35540325201746545202012-09-12T20:11:28.083-04:002012-09-12T20:11:28.083-04:00It's like you're reading my mind, sister. ...It's like you're reading my mind, sister. If older faculty, esp., begin to say "I prefer not to," it'll make it easier on the younger, more vulnerable ones. I mean, no one wants to be the only one taking the hit.Roy Starlinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08998376320870001861noreply@blogger.com